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		<title>By: wsjinames</title>
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		<dc:creator>wsjinames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, that does sound sensible.</description>
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		<title>By: Patrick McCrann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick McCrann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that trained refs help but not eliminate the problem. My argument is that a core squad of refs will learn where (A) drafting happens and (B) where it matters. Folks drafting in downtown Coeur d&#039;Alene doenst matter. It&#039;s downhill and twisty and so on. But drafting up out of town or back in...well, you want to be there. So think of it not as 8 bikes covering 56, but eventually 8 bike patrolling the right sections of the course when it matters (like start of lap one and lap two heading out of town, but not really checking for drafting after like 3pm b/c everyone out there is just shagged and praying for the finish line).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that trained refs help but not eliminate the problem. My argument is that a core squad of refs will learn where (A) drafting happens and (B) where it matters. Folks drafting in downtown Coeur d&#39;Alene doenst matter. It&#39;s downhill and twisty and so on. But drafting up out of town or back in&#8230;well, you want to be there. So think of it not as 8 bikes covering 56, but eventually 8 bike patrolling the right sections of the course when it matters (like start of lap one and lap two heading out of town, but not really checking for drafting after like 3pm b/c everyone out there is just shagged and praying for the finish line).</p>
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		<title>By: mikehedman</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikehedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the penalty tent is a joke.  For all but the pro podium finishers, a five minute stretch and rehydrate break is a BLESSING, not a curse.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think a much better penalty would be a 1 mile out and back run, with boxes of tomatos on the sidelines, with WTC employees encouraging spectators to get involved. :)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That would be for drafters.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For chinstrap, position violations, etc, throw them in the sin bin.  Or at least, no tomatos for them in the run of shame.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My 2 cents - no drafting.  As a crappy bike rider, I would certainly benefit.  But I hate watching ITU and what it&#039;s done to triathlon.  I guess I&#039;m a purist - there are three disciplines, and you do them on your own.  I would hate it if some bozo sat on my wheel for 5 hours and then dusted me on the run.  Or some local tri club shows up and a mob of 50 people peleton up.  Not my idea of a fun day.  Not my idea of triathlon.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Then there&#039;s the danger.  Do we then penalize people if they&#039;re drafting, and in their aero bars?  Do draft legal IM&#039;s force people to only use the little ITU clip-ons?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the penalty tent is a joke.  For all but the pro podium finishers, a five minute stretch and rehydrate break is a BLESSING, not a curse.</p>
<p>I think a much better penalty would be a 1 mile out and back run, with boxes of tomatos on the sidelines, with WTC employees encouraging spectators to get involved. <img src='http://www.patrickjohnmccrann.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>That would be for drafters.  </p>
<p>For chinstrap, position violations, etc, throw them in the sin bin.  Or at least, no tomatos for them in the run of shame.</p>
<p>My 2 cents &#8211; no drafting.  As a crappy bike rider, I would certainly benefit.  But I hate watching ITU and what it&#39;s done to triathlon.  I guess I&#39;m a purist &#8211; there are three disciplines, and you do them on your own.  I would hate it if some bozo sat on my wheel for 5 hours and then dusted me on the run.  Or some local tri club shows up and a mob of 50 people peleton up.  Not my idea of a fun day.  Not my idea of triathlon.</p>
<p>Then there&#39;s the danger.  Do we then penalize people if they&#39;re drafting, and in their aero bars?  Do draft legal IM&#39;s force people to only use the little ITU clip-ons?</p>
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		<title>By: wsjinames</title>
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		<dc:creator>wsjinames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 02:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think of myself as a clean rider, but I know I double-check where I am as soon as I hear those motorcycles coming.  After all, it is sometimes difficult on a crowded course to ride by the letter of the rules, so you make sure you&#039;re being well behaved when you know mom is about to check in on you! &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have to think that anyone being intentional about pack riding surely is more aware of the motorcycles than I am.  This is an inherent flaw.  Your idea of consistently trained &quot;refs&quot; will surely help, but not solve the problem.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I would like to think there would be a way to involve silent observers along the route.  I don&#039;t think you could deputize people to hand out penalties, but you could deputize them to radio to the various officials that &quot;there&#039;s a pack just passing mile 23 as of 9:05 a.m.&quot;  I don&#039;t know how effective this would be, but I would think it would be worth trying a couple of times before going public with the announcement that it was going to be the new policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think of myself as a clean rider, but I know I double-check where I am as soon as I hear those motorcycles coming.  After all, it is sometimes difficult on a crowded course to ride by the letter of the rules, so you make sure you&#39;re being well behaved when you know mom is about to check in on you! </p>
<p>I have to think that anyone being intentional about pack riding surely is more aware of the motorcycles than I am.  This is an inherent flaw.  Your idea of consistently trained &#8220;refs&#8221; will surely help, but not solve the problem.</p>
<p>I would like to think there would be a way to involve silent observers along the route.  I don&#39;t think you could deputize people to hand out penalties, but you could deputize them to radio to the various officials that &#8220;there&#39;s a pack just passing mile 23 as of 9:05 a.m.&#8221;  I don&#39;t know how effective this would be, but I would think it would be worth trying a couple of times before going public with the announcement that it was going to be the new policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raced Clearwater last weekend and now understand what drafting really can be - huge packs in places.  I&#039;m sure a lot of people in those packs were happy to get dragged along, but I think most were frustrated by the experience (although probably, like me, happy to have a very impressive bike split).  The problem is the course - if its easy for everyone to go relatively flat, the course has to be wide enough for folks to overtake.  You can&#039;t really penalise people for not overtaking when its unsafe to try and squeeze past.  More space or fewer atheletes competing is the answer.  The time-trial start probably helped things - maybe implementing that permanently, but with a longer gap between competitors / waves would help?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raced Clearwater last weekend and now understand what drafting really can be &#8211; huge packs in places.  I&#39;m sure a lot of people in those packs were happy to get dragged along, but I think most were frustrated by the experience (although probably, like me, happy to have a very impressive bike split).  The problem is the course &#8211; if its easy for everyone to go relatively flat, the course has to be wide enough for folks to overtake.  You can&#39;t really penalise people for not overtaking when its unsafe to try and squeeze past.  More space or fewer atheletes competing is the answer.  The time-trial start probably helped things &#8211; maybe implementing that permanently, but with a longer gap between competitors / waves would help?</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick McCrann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick McCrann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 01:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Especially interesting since Graham Fraser is organizing Gran Fondos now...could be a nice way for WTC to stick it to him (haha). Seriously though...do that, and then have the &quot;one&quot; race where you have to be legal. So it&#039;s go stupid fast everywhere, but on this day, on this island, you gotta be solo? Or not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Especially interesting since Graham Fraser is organizing Gran Fondos now&#8230;could be a nice way for WTC to stick it to him (haha). Seriously though&#8230;do that, and then have the &#8220;one&#8221; race where you have to be legal. So it&#39;s go stupid fast everywhere, but on this day, on this island, you gotta be solo? Or not?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Socie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Socie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 01:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an idea - make Ironman draft legal. Thousands have already proved that it&#039;s safe. In fact it would be safer because no one would be looking over their shoulders looking for draft marshals. Call it Ironman Grand Fondo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#39;s an idea &#8211; make Ironman draft legal. Thousands have already proved that it&#39;s safe. In fact it would be safer because no one would be looking over their shoulders looking for draft marshals. Call it Ironman Grand Fondo</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick McCrann</title>
		<link>http://www.patrickjohnmccrann.com/ironman/fixing-triathlons-drafting-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-112</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick McCrann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree on all of that, particularly the lack of a need for enforcement on the part of WTC since the events go on and, as someone else said to me offline, a lot of folks &quot;want to go fast.&quot; Maybe it&#039;s pressure from athletes? Maybe folks boycott the expo so sponsors are hurting so they have to lean on WTC too? Not sure where change can come from, only know that everyone wins if it happens...as opposed to only a select few winning now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree on all of that, particularly the lack of a need for enforcement on the part of WTC since the events go on and, as someone else said to me offline, a lot of folks &#8220;want to go fast.&#8221; Maybe it&#39;s pressure from athletes? Maybe folks boycott the expo so sponsors are hurting so they have to lean on WTC too? Not sure where change can come from, only know that everyone wins if it happens&#8230;as opposed to only a select few winning now.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick McCrann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick McCrann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree wave starts could help a lot with safety and spreading folks out; IMFL was downright scary to watch the swim. That said not sure it helps with the drafting issue...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree wave starts could help a lot with safety and spreading folks out; IMFL was downright scary to watch the swim. That said not sure it helps with the drafting issue&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Less people (lower max # entry&#039;s), wave starts and lower the entry costs!! not sure how the lower entry cost will help &quot;drafting&quot; but the price of triathlon entry&#039;s makes me sick! more so than when 1 hour long sprint tri starts at 7am!! still haven&#039;t figured that one out either...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Less people (lower max # entry&#39;s), wave starts and lower the entry costs!! not sure how the lower entry cost will help &#8220;drafting&#8221; but the price of triathlon entry&#39;s makes me sick! more so than when 1 hour long sprint tri starts at 7am!! still haven&#39;t figured that one out either&#8230;</p>
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